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Does wind means war in Revelation?

(lumpen) The angel theory of the INC is based on its erroneous claim that the four winds means war. Revelation 7:2-3 as interpreted by the INC is mind-boggling if not ridiculous. Where did the INC get the meaning of the four winds? Its only source is the book of Jeremiah in chapter four but do you know whats happening? The INC

used only 3 or 4 verses of of a total of total of 31 verses. Why? To read the whole chapter would expose the deception of the INC.

The INC censors or omit important verses to conceal its deception by concentrating on the "dry wind" which is not the same as four winds of Revelation. Below are the verses that will show the readers that the wind in Jeremiah could not have been War in Europe of 1914-1918.

Jeremiah, chapter 4, verses

23) I beheld the earth,and, lo, it was without form and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

24) I beheld the mountains and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

25)I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of heavens were fled.

Its obvious why the INC would not qoute the entire chapter; it would only select those verses it thinks would support its angel theory which is a junk anyway.

Does the above verses refer to a World War in Europe?

Absolutely not.

An exhaustive post

by Bro Craig
I've been working this for a few weeks already. Here's what I have so far:

Rev 7:1-3 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."

Historical facts:

  • The Church of Christ was officially registered with the American Colonial Government in the Philippines on July 27, 1914.
  • World War One officially started on July 27, 1914 according to the INC and some others.
  • July 28, 1914 Austria is the first to issue a Declaration of War (to Serbia).
  • According to the INC, the four angels in Rev. 7:1-3 are the allied leaders known as the "Big Four" (Wilson, Orlando, George, Clemenceau).
  • The INC believes that the angel rising from the east is Felix Manalo and the INC.
  • The INC teaches that the four angels stopped the War by holding back their destructive war machines and formally concluding hostilities with the Treaty of Versailles.

The INC claims World War 1 is the fulfillment of the Revelations 6: 12-15. But the wind was “let go” on July 28, 1914 when Austria declared war on Serbia. A total of 36 declarations of war by a total of 23 nations were historically recorded during World War 1. Further, the “Big Four” could not be the four angels of Revelations 7:1-3 since:

  • Llyod George was Prime Minister of England from 1916 to 1922, not in 1914 as the brethren to are lead believe. In 1914, he was in the British Parliament and among five others who threathened to resign because Britain was going to enter The Great War (or WW1 as we now know it).
  • It wasn’t until April 2, 1917 when Woodrow Wilson asked the United States Congress for a Declaration of War. This is almost a full three years after Felix Manalo had registered the INC in the Philippines. The US officially declared war on Germany April 6, 1917.
  • Georges Clemenceau was not elected as the French Premier until November 1917, in excess of three years after the INC was registered.
  • Vittorio Orlando also was not elected to the office of Itlaian Premier until 1917.

If the wind is in reference to World War 2, not only does history not support this (in regards to the four angels) but the sealing was to be completed before the angels let go of the wind. If the INC maintains that the four angels are indeed Clemenceau, George, Orlando, and Wilson, then this also does not work. The below table plainly points this out:

  • Premier/President Died
  • Wilson 1913 - 1921 February 3, 1924
  • Clemenceau 1917 - 1920 November 24, 1929
  • George 1916 - 1922 March 26, 1945
  • Orlando 1917 - 1919 December. 1, 1952

Finally, the way the verse is written, the fifth angel speaks with the four angels holding back the wind. Is there any record that Felix Manalo contacted, wrote to, or spoke with either of these four men? The only record concerning Felix Manalo even merely leaving the Philippines from August 1919 to sometime in 1921 when he went to the United States and registered in the Pacific School of Religion.

Here is a list, in chronological order, of the declarations of war by each of the twenty-three (23) nations involved in World War 1:

Austria vs. Serbia July 28 1914
Germany vs. Russia, August 1, 1914
*France vs. Germany, August 3, 1914
Germany vs. France, August 3, 1914
*Great Britain vs. Germany, August 5, 1914
Austria vs. Russia, August 6, 1914
Austria vs. Montenegro, August 9, 1914
Montenegro vs. Austria, August 10, 1914
France vs. Austria, August 12, 1914
Great Britain vs. Austria, August 12, 1914
Japan vs. Germany, August 23, 1914
Austria vs. Belgium, August 28, 1914
*Italy vs. Bulgaria, October 19, 1914
Great Britain vs. Turkey, November 5, 1914
Turkey vs. Allies, November 23, 1914
Serbia vs. Turkey, December 2, 1914

Italy vs. Austria, August 21, 1915
Bulgaria vs. Serbia, October 14, 1915
Great Britain vs. Bulgaria, October 16, 1915
France vs. Bulgaria, October 18, 1915

Germany vs. Portugal, March 9, 1916
Italy vs. Germany, August 28, 1916
Romania vs. Austria, August 27, 1916
Turkey vs. Romania, August 29 1916
Greece vs. Bulgaria, November 28, 1916
Greece vs. Germany, November 28, 1916

*United States vs. Germany, April 6, 1917.
Cuba vs. Germany, April 7, 1917
Panama vs. Germany, April 7, 1917
Greece vs. Bulgaria, July 2, 1917
Greece vs. Germany, July 2, 1917
Siam vs. Austria, July 21, 1917
Siam vs. Germany, July 21, 1917
Liberia vs. Germany, August 4, 1917
China vs. Austria, August 14, 1917
China vs. Germany, August 14, 1917
Brazil vs. Germany, October 26, 1917;
United States vs. Austria-Hungary, December 7, 1917

The asterisks anotate the respective nations of each of the angels in Revelation 7:1-3 as determined and preached by the INC. Note also that these declarations of war do not match the date of the registration of the INC.